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  1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.

  or will they come up with something new?.

  does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.

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  joey jojo

  TonusOH-

  "But it's a complicated and messy concept, and you can no longer just say "the generation that saw these things is getting older" because (A)you already abandoned that idea and (B)everyone knows you can just extend it again. So you cannot create the urgency this way. "

  Waton-

  " here you can see the twisting by wt writers of the original text.

  Jesus said that all these things will come to pass, then the generation would die (like it did in the first century). "all these things" obviously includes the disaster bigger than Noah's flood. aka Armageddon. that Jesus mentioned as fact in the prophecy.

  The start of the GT is only a blip in all that.

  wt says : generation dies at the beginning. "

  Maybe this will be the end game for the org.

  If they were to declare the start of the great tribulation today, it could be stretched long enough to allow the previous teaching to fade into obscurity.

  By subtly changing the wording of the prophecy and saying the anointed will be gone before armageddon, they have just solved the generation problem once and for all.

  Declaring the GT has started would jump-start the enthusiasm of the members and bring inactive ones back to the org.

  The period of the GT is indefinite, so by the time the current generation dies off, the governing body has had plenty of time to switch things up again.
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  1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.

  or will they come up with something new?.

  does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.

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  joey jojo

  Waton, this is from 2014, I couldn't find anything specifically from 2010. It only mentions some anointed seeing the start of the great tribulation.

  In reality, the start of the great tribulation could stretch over decades, depending on how the gb sells it.

  “We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of annointed Christians. … They were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. ... Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.” Watchtower 2014 Jan 15 p.31
  
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  1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.

  or will they come up with something new?.

  does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.

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  joey jojo

  hey Smiddy,

  Maybe the title is accidently misleading.

  The decrease I was referring to was the amount of JW's that have left exclusively because of the failures tied to the 1914 generation prophecy. Not the recent, total amount of active dubs, which has increased over the years. It would be interesting to know how many have left because of disappointment over constantly evolving armageddon timeframes.

  It seems ironic that the expectation of imminent salvation, based on a set of dates keeps some in the org, while the same prophecy drives others away.
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  1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.

  or will they come up with something new?.

  does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.

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  joey jojo

  Theres a couple of threads RE: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.

  The JW doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.

  1975- within one generation.

  1995 - new understanding of the word generation.

  2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.

  2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring David Splane.

  Its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether. Or will they come up with something new?

  Does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?
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  News story claims: "Jehovah’s Witnesses" are QAnon believers"

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was googling the subject and came across this story.

  i just had an incredible phone conversation with a long-time jw who has strong "q-anon" "sovereign citizen" beliefs.

  the wife(first gen) says she is not surprised.

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  joey jojo

  Jhine- sadly , it isnt just the U.S.

  Plenty of QAnon believers here in Australia.
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  News story claims: "Jehovah’s Witnesses" are QAnon believers"

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was googling the subject and came across this story.

  i just had an incredible phone conversation with a long-time jw who has strong "q-anon" "sovereign citizen" beliefs.

  the wife(first gen) says she is not surprised.

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  joey jojo

  'it is easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled'.
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  What are the benefits of doubts?

  by psyco in

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  2. bible

  what are the benefits of having created the human mind being able to have doubts inside (or regarding) the true religion (jude 22)?.

  because if you have doubts, you are not sure, so it is difficult to believe and trust.

  and if it is difficult to believe and trust, it is even more difficult to have faith since it is the "assured" expectation of what is hoped for (hebrews 11:1).

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  joey jojo

  Doubt can keep you alive.

  For example, 'I doubt I can take that hairpin bend at 100 miles an hour'.

  
  
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  Does he really have a sex problem ?

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like many, i’ve been bemused at lloyd evan’s excuses/reasons for his lusting after prostitutes.

  apparently, as he claims in his disastrous video, he blames his wife for being inadequate between the sheets.. could the real answer to his ‘problem’ be closer to home?.

  perhaps if he consulted a medical person or even a sex therapist he may learn his “problem” is not down to the borg at all, it may simply be caused by his weight i.e.

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  joey jojo

  I once watched an interview with an escort and guess who most of her clients are?

  Married men.

  There are many reasons men use prostitutes, Im not here to defend, or legitimise those reasons but here is something else the escort said:

  "ladies, if you dont f*ck your husbands, they are going to come and f*ck me".
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  Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.

  here are the articles, you need to translate in google.

  https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.

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  joey jojo

  No one should be forced to speak to another person if they dont want to.

  On the other hand, is it right for any religious organisation to tell its members who they can speak to or not?

  The jw's go too far when they expect people to shun immediate family members and produce videos to demonstrate exactly how to do it.
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  Can you list the positive points of being a JW as against the negative points of being a JW in your experience ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a twenty y/old when i converted to the jw religion and was a problem drinker and i was a chain smoker .when i was baptized at a circuit assembly a year later , my conversion and change in lifestyle was given as an example of the effectiveness of incidental witnessing to the audience.. so i can point to the 2 positives becoming a jw .. 1.i gave up smoking.

  2.i gave up drinking for a while ,but because i still had association with my wife`s and my family who were not jw`s ,i learnt to control my social drinking when i started again.. and i have been a responsible drinker ever since ,even though i left the religion 29 years ago.. the negative points of being a jw in my 32 years of being one ?

  are far too great to list here .. love to hear your thoughts..

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  joey jojo

  Interesting post Smiddy.

  A JW elder told me once that I should be grateful because of what I had gained from the org, for example, my wife, who I adore. For those of us born-in's, we simply dont know how our lives would have turned out, or what paths we would have taken - good or bad.

  How do I know I wouldnt have got an even better wife outside the org?